Obviously, there will be book spoilers for Eclipse in this post. Go read.
Welcome to chapter two! You know, in someways, for me at least, this is a crazy way to do this. one chapter a week. How fast did we all burn through this book the first time?! However, it's fun to have the time to think through the chapter, and I know that Amber and Sabrina are enjoying it, too.
In chapter two, we see a lot more of the tension between Edward and Bella regarding Jacob. Bella is celebrating her freedom from her restriction. Alice is making grandiose plans only she can fathom. Then she gets a vision, disturbing enough that her reaction makes even the humans notice. Bella, and us readers, definitely know something hinky is up, but what? "Evasion" becomes a perfect name for the chapter, and Edward and Alice neatly sidestep all of Bella's question. Edward brings up Bella's birthday gifts, leaving all of us spluttering a little, and convinces (I might be using that term loosely) Bella and Charlie that a trip to see Renee is in order. Bella also indulges in some evasion as she makes an attempt to visit Jacob, only to be thwarted by Edward. Oh Edward...
Here's our discussion on the chapter:
Kerry: This chapter is not Edward's finest moment. Sabrina : I'm sure you guys will say he is justified... but I am going to preemptively disagree. Kerry: but in a way I like it, because it shows that he's so not perfect.. Kerry: either way, I think it's obvious to the reader and to Bella that she's not getting the whole story...she's just not willing to fight at that moment, she figures she'll ask again later Amber: I think that's exactly right, she's satisfied for the moment and she'll ask more about it later Sabrina : I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I think she really does buy it. Amber: I don't think she's 100% convinced either Amber: she says she was overreacting, doesn't she? Amber: that she was imagining things? Kerry: consider where she's at...she's been fairly paranoid lately Kerry: easy to second guess herself Kerry: I'm not going to say she wasn't just being blind, just, trying to find a reason why she would be. I don't buy the 'Bella is a vapid idiot' crap. Girl has just been through hell already and it isn't over yet. Amber: I don't think she's an idiot either Sabrina : Oh no, I don't think she's an idiot at all. Sabrina : I just think that she trusts Edward completely. Maybe that trust is usually well-placed. Not so much in this instance. Kerry: Sorry, I get a little carried away on that point..lol Kerry: Right Sabrina : It happens, Amber: just because he isn't being totally upfront Amber: you know what chickadees? at this point in the book, we don't know he isn't being honest Kerry: oh I didn't buy it the first time through...lol Sabrina : ... I dunno. I think it's fairly obvious that he is lying. Kerry: I wasn't sure exactly what it was, but I was fairly certain it wasn't Jasper Amber: but it's not confirmed Sabrina : And when he started making plans to go out of state, I figured that it was to keep Bella from some sort of danger. Sabrina : I just wasn't sure what kind. Amber: or just to keep her away from something Amber: honestly, I thought the Volturi was coming the first time that I read it Kerry: I wonder about where Edward's mind is in this chapter, he is far from his usual charming self. Using her birthday presents as a segue into using the tickets? Sabrina : The way he forces the issue with Charlie reeks of desperation. At least, Edward's version of desperation. Sabrina : Yeah, that was highly unusual. Sabrina : Amber, I thought about the volturi first thing, too. Kerry: exactly, that too, I mean, some amount of railroading would have been necessary with Charlie anyway, to sell him on it.. Kerry: but talk about all the finesse of a bulldozer Sabrina : Seriously Amber: true Sabrina : I mean, cleverly played, but very heavy handed. Bella was kind of forced to fight for her right to see Renee. Amber: Edward generally would have been much smoother about it Amber: He knew Charlie would be against it and that would make Bella fight back Kerry: Charlie was only really against Edward going..lol Amber: Definitely Kerry: and technically, there is nothing Charlie could have done to stop it Sabrina : I know I said this before... but I can't wait to see this scene in the movie. Amber: and I felt so bad for Edward when she asked about Jacob Amber: but she was 100% right Kerry: yeah, that was probably painful for Edward, but it was a valid point Sabrina : Well, Edward brought up his share of painful topics in this chapter, also Sabrina : The stereo, to name one. Kerry: true, the whole birthday reference in general Amber: which seems odd Amber: he obviously knew the stereo wasn't there, he'd been in the truck Sabrina : Very.... especially the guilt trip that went along with it. Kerry: Makes me wonder how desperate he was feeling, because he was not at all as smooth as he could have been. Sabrina : Uncharacteristically shaken, he'd just thought she was dead Amber: and he was afraid she was in danger again. He was incredibly desperate. Kerry: Evidence that he's probably as messed up as Bella at this point, despite his 109 years, and all he's learned and seen, there is definitely still a 17 year old in there. Kerry: we laugh about the kissing and everything, but it applies to the emotional age too Amber: and nothing has ever mattered to him the way that Bella does Amber: everyone else in his life that he cares about is fairly indestructible Sabrina : It's mostly the romantic inexperience that make a difference in this situation Amber: Bella is anything but Amber: I wouldn't say romantic inexperience so much as emotional inexperience Kerry: yes, he's just as new to "how to have a relationship" as she is Sabrina : Well, he's not new to love in general. Maybe the "eros" type, but not unfamiliar with the feeling. It's the fact that he's never had a chance to put it in practice that makes him make so many mistakes with it. Amber: and it's not exactly your normal first love Amber: I mean, he is afraid that he himself could be the end of her Sabrina : Well, that's for sure Amber: and in New Moon he made it very clear that he feels like she's in danger because of him Kerry: and at this point, he's willing to accept that, because he knows he can't survive without her..but it's made him even more overbearing when it comes to her safety Sabrina : Which brings us to Charlie's little "lecture" Amber: "are you being safe?" Kerry: haha...poor Charlie Sabrina : I know, it's so fatherly. Amber: this one I really hope to see Billy Burke do Kerry: but at least he's being Dad...after all, his daughter is making plans to go away for the weekend with her boyfriend, and considering Renee, the. fact that she's at her mother's house doesn't seem like it would dissuade sex like it might normally. Amber: although it is to visit her mother...he's already made a slight reference to how well Renee will supervise Sabrina : No. Speaking of which, I though Bella's little internal monologue about Renee was really cute. Amber: stepping away from this chapter for just a second, I think this kind of helps to set up the reaction that Renee has to Bella's engagement Sabrina : ... the sex talk? Amber: no Amber: her internal dialogue Kerry: I think the whole conversation was another example of how Charlie's actually trying to be a Dad... Amber: and I think he does a decent job of it Kerry: definitely, as embarrassing as it was for Bella and him, it's one of those things on the parenting to-do list.. Sabrina : fun times Sabrina : Yeah, trust me, it is. Amber: ah yes, you have a teenager Sabrina : Anyhoo... so Bella decides to go see Jacob. Kerry: I have to say out of the entire series this is the one moment I was truly pissed off at Edward.. Sabrina : Yeah, I was pretty upset myself Sabrina : It makes me wonder how much of his reaction is jealousy rather than for her own protection. Kerry: Honestly, it that regard, it made me more certain that it was protection related, as opposed to jealousy. Kerry: or at least *more* than jealousy... Kerry: I think if it was just jealousy only, he would have let her go Amber: It didn't make me mad at him Sabrina : .... so what did you think? Amber: I may have smiled Amber: it was Edward being Edward to me Kerry: Yes, Edward, but disabling her car? too far...though I love it for his show of imperfection.. Amber: no Sabrina : I wish she would have left the window closed Amber: I mean, he's worried, genuinely concerned. Amber: think about Emily, we've seen what a wolf can do, and all Edward sees is a pack of young wolves. Kerry: And a place he can't be to watch over her Amber: and in his defense...Bella's not the best judge of what is a dangerous situation for her and what isn't Sabrina : ... and the fact that they saved her life on several occasions shouldn't mean anything to him? Amber: I never said that Amber: but he knows that things are different now that the Cullens are back as well Kerry: Of course it does...so much so that he expressed his gratitude AND admitted his fault in it in New Moon.. Sabrina : If they were in Forks, I can see that. But nothing has really changed on the res, right? Amber: but on the res, he can't be with her Amber: he can't protect here Amber: her Kerry: Except that Edward can't be there...and Edward can only trust himself or his family to protect Bella. Amber: things have changed on the res, because Bella chose the vampires Sabrina : Well, she hasn't officially chosen yet. Amber: her choosing the vampires changed the way the wolves see her Kerry: yes she has. Sabrina : they would still be bound to protect her Amber: of course they're bound to protect her, but she's also pretty much their least favorite human Amber: and once their temper is flared, they could easily hurt her Amber: has already demonstrated that Sabrina : And Jacob would defend her. He already demonstrated that. Amber: Sweetie, it's not about him defending her Kerry: I think that's besides the point at this point in the story. The key here, I believe, is that Edward simply does not trust anyone but himself with the job of protecting Bella Amber: it's about something happening too fast for Jacob to even stop it Amber: you're right, at this point, Edward hasn't learned how to trust anyone but himself, but he also sees the wolves as something that she needs protection from. Talking about fresh wounds...he just thought she was dead, so the thought of her being somewhere that her future disappears??? Amber: that's why he disabled the car Amber: it wasn't just "I said she couldn't go and she's going to try and go anyway" Amber: It was "Alice just called and said she disappears" Kerry: yeah, especially after 50 years of depending on Alice's visions... Kerry: to have the future not just be 'unknown' but actually 'gone'.. Kerry: But I was still mad at him. Mad, but no way could I have sent him away. I would have reopened the window too Amber: I'd say I was more frustrated than mad Amber: and I would have so reopened that window too Amber: I mean, it's just like when Jon makes me furious...but I still end up turning to him Kerry: I always liked that, it's a good symbolism of "we can work through anything" Amber: the door, or window in this case, will always be open Amber: and in some tiny way...it's an "I have to choose" moment Amber: all through Eclipse, she's choosing between Edward and Jacob Amber: in this moment, she's choosing not to let him keeping her away from Jacob come between them Kerry: Back on the subject of Edward's feelings on the wolves... his monologue on why Alice can't see them...about them being so unpredictable that the future can't hold them. Pretty much sums it up for him. Amber: I think that's a very, very good point Sabrina : Well, ladies, I don't hate Edward. It's not that I don't understand his perspective. It's just that, at some point, he has to let Bella make her own decisions. Bella remains alive because the wolves saved her. It just seems like, to me, that a tiny little bit of trust might be warranted in addition to the gratitude. Amber: I suppose maybe that's where I've gone wrong here Amber: it's not that I think Edward is right Amber: it's just that I understand Kerry: me either, i understand his mindset, but he's handling it all wrong Sabrina : And, I also think that, despite his good intentions, there has to be some jealousy involved. He has to have seen Bella's relationship with Jacob through the eyes of others. He has a good reason to be jealous. Kerry: sure he's jealous Kerry: on a number of levels Kerry: I just don't think it's entirely his motivation here. Kerry: part of it, sure, but not all Amber: maybe the reason I don't get so upset with him is because I don't hold these illusions that he's perfect Amber: I hear so much "Oh, he's perfect" Sabrina : No, definitely not at all. But it's not as altruistic as he would have Bella believe, either. Amber: well he's not Amber: again, I don't think it's him that's trying to act that way Amber: we're seeing this all through Bella's eyes Amber: it doesn't occur to her that he's jealous because she doesn't think he has a reason to be Kerry: A point I've always wanted to make Kerry: about Edward being 'perfect' Kerry: The only time Bella has talked about him being 'perfect' was about his physical appearance... Amber: what I meant was people who read the book and say "I want an Edward, he's so perfect" Amber: and I've been told "I hate when people say they married their Edward. That's not possible because Edward is perfect and no one is perfect." Sabrina : I think people get that because they see Bella's attitude... sometimes it seems like she thinks he can do no wrong. If you read a little deeper, sometimes you can see more of a "grin and bear it" situation. I don't think she believes he's perfect either, but I think that's where people get the idea. Kerry: yeah, it's a big misinterpretation of the story Amber: Edward definitely pushed his hand Amber: I think it irritated me more that he knew what Charlie was going to talk to her about than that he disabled her truck Amber: I would have left the window open too Amber: Edward's heart is in the right place Sabrina : I actually thought it was funny that he let Bella get blind-sided by that little lecture. Amber: well in all reality, it was probably better that way Amber: easier for her Amber: although, I could just as easily have seen him rolling down the window just before he pulled away and saying "Bella, Charlie's going to have the sex talk" Amber: HAHA Kerry: HAH Kerry: Ok, so give me one or two sentences of your feelings on this chapter Sabrina : My overall feelings are that Edward needs to back off a bit, and be more forth-coming. Jacob still needs to pull his head out of his butt and try to make his friendship with Bella work. Amber: I understand where Jacob's coming from too though Amber: He's hurting Sabrina : Yeah, I understand, but he needs to understand her point of view as well. Sabrina : I really am Team Charlie. Kerry: Team Charlie! Amber: I think that's the general feeling from this chapter. Amber: Team Charlie Sabrina : Yeah, pretty much. Sabrina : Merry Christmas, you guys. Amber: Merry Christmas!
So um, Team Edward and Team Jacob might be getting a little at odds, it's a good thing we like each other.
What are your thoughts on Edward's actions in this chapter? Do you think he's crossing a line? Do you think Bella is too easy on him? Do you understand her motivations as well as his? Or none of them? Are you Team Charlie?
Either way, we hope you're enjoying this as much as we are. Have a Merry Christmas!
There are absolutely zero book spoilers in this post. Well, maybe one.
Okay, so this isn't really a book theory. It's just the week before Christmas, and shopping and baking are seriously cramping my blog-lifestyle. Amber's been working hard over at her Vampire Diaries column, and she asks a pretty good question about whether you'd rather find Stefan(played by Paul Wesley) or Damon (Ian Somerholder) under your..um..tree.
No offense to Stefan/Paul or Damon/Ian, as they'd both look nice with a big ol' red bow on their chest and a candy cane between their teeth, but I think our Cullen boys can make for a much merrier Christmas.
So, you're hanging at the Cullen house, strategically positioned beneath the mistletoe. Which one are you hoping will discover you here? Before we get to biased, I think it's only fair to evaluate all of our lovely amber-eyed Cullen men. (Sorry Team Jacob - If you're picturing slobbery puppy kisses, you're on your own) Carlisle: Even more of a gentleman than Edward, I'm betting he's a little shy when it comes to the ladies, and even shyer in a public setting. So beneath the mistletoe, soft, sweet chaste kisses. His hands might be on your shoulders, equally chaste, but still sweet. Sound good? Want more? Get him behind that closed door over there.
Emmett: Probably the polar opposite of Carlisle. This big hunk of man-meat is all over you. Hands in the back pockets of your jeans, or completely wrapped around you, all lips and tongue, possibly a little slobbery, but not too much, and ouch! the door jam hurts when it digs into the back of your shoulders. Behind the closed doors? No different, though you'll probably have to remind him to actually go behind the doors... Jasper: Ah, the Southern Gentleman, but he's a soldier, so there's that rough and ready side too. Not to mention the empath thing. Jasper in a romantic setting? Experience that kiss in stereo. Slow, sensuous kisses, lingering..maybe even a little tantric, as a way to deal with the overflow of emotion. Behind the door? Hope you're patient...
Edward: Finally, Edward! We know a little, since Bella's always been cool about describing the experience for us. Edward's had 90 years to read the thoughts of people and so he's got insider knowledge. So it starts slow, the hand caresses the cheek, tilting your chin up, light brushes of lips together, Lips meet fully finally and then all you know what breaks loose, and you're a tangle of arms and leg hitches. (Have I read too much fanfic?) Oddly enough, it's Emmett that objects to the mega-watt PDA.
Yes, yes, they're all spoken for, but that's beside the point in this little exercise. Unicorns? I know you're dying to hear about defrosting Rosalie's ice queen exterior, or bubbly Alice, that you have to pick up in order to kiss properly. Esme's kisses got soft-focus, like an old movie, fading out just as the lips meet. And Bella, well, hang on to your virtue, boys. Shy and blushing only stays that way for so long.
Team Jacob? You tell me what you think your favorite wolfpack boy is like under the mistletoe.
The rest of us? Who is your pick? I'm sure you know mine, I'm still biased.
Oh Jackson. It really sucks to have a birthday so close to Christmas doesn't it? Amber was shopping and I was making cookies all day and we nearly let your birthday slip by. I don't know where you are at the moment, but I'm on the west coast, so it is STILL your birthday here.
I see you had a party the other day, and hopefully you got to do something fun today.
Thanks for being our Jasper with the smexy southern and making us laugh with your rare but always enjoyable interviews/appearances. Do more of those, please? We'd love to see you make the run of talk shows, too! We're looking forward to some bad*** Jasper in Eclipse!
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Last week Kerry made a post asking for your support of Sam Bradley and his "Busking for change" in support of the Canadian charity WarChild. His original goal was $400 and he was able to raise over five times that!
RobbedMyHeart was kind enough to send us some pictures and videos of Sam out busking on Friday. His sister Grace Lindsey joined him and their harmony is absolutely wonderful. I've heard so many stories about how terribly cold it was in Vancouver on Friday. What troopers Sam and all the other musicians participating were!
Hope you enjoy the videos. You can still make donations by clicking here.Children are the very most innocent victims of war and this charity is all about helping them.
Check out more videos and pics over at Shack of Soul. There you can find my absolute favorite Sam song...Scared.
Not surprisingly when Cosmo put together their list of the hottest guys of the last ten years, Robert Pattinson took the title for 2008. In my book, he beats Bradley Cooper for 2009, but I suppose it wouldn't be fair for Rob to take more that one year.
You can see the rest of the list here. Thanks to Rob & kriSten Lovers.
I'll use the term "easter egg" here loosely, since most of these are just cool details. Did you catch any of these in the movie?
1. Hidden wolves
''Look for an upside-down engraving of a wolf in the shot of the bowl in which Carlisle burns his first-aid equipment; on Jacob's T-shirt when he meets Bella in the school parking lot for the first time; and a wolf trinket on the dream-catcher that he gives her.'' (Kerry: I caught the dreamcatcher and his shirt...not the bowl though!)
2. Vampire elevator music
''When Edward, Bella, and Alice get into the elevator on their way to see the Volturi, the music playing in the elevator is from Strauss' Die Fledermaus (a.k.a. The Bat).'' (Yes, but I'm a music nerd) 3. Emotional baggage?
''When Bella is looking for the meadow where she and Edward are seen lying down together, she carries a golden compass clipped to her backpack — part of my baggage!'' (hahah..I Love Chris Weitz)
4. Speedy suitor
''We did a little trick when Edward gets out of Bella's truck and they're arguing. We wanted to show Edward moving impossibly quickly, so we put Rob right next to the camera but out of sight, and used a double dressed like Rob in the driver's seat. When Edward gets out, it's the double, and then Rob steps in front of the camera, and it looks as if he got there faster than humanly possible.'' (Nifty trick...easter egg? no..)
5. Look it up
''If you want to know what Jacob says before he almost kisses Bella, ask a Quileute! The address of the Quileute tribal council is quileutenation.org. I can tell you this much: He says, Kwop kilawtley.'' (I think the general consensus is "Stay with me forever")
6. Tower of glower
''You can see Volterra's tower and the red-cloaked revelers from the festival of San Marco on the cover of Bella's copy of Romeo and Juliet when she wakes up in her bedroom.
7. Hope it was a rental...
''In the wolf-fight, we purposely knocked over the camera when the wolves tumble towards it; you can also hear the microphone thumping, as if an actual on-set animal had run into the camera and boom.'' (It worked, I actually jumped at that..)
8. Quileute culture
''When prepping to visualize Jacob's and Emily's houses, production designer David Brisbin and his team visited La Push and met the Quileute executive council. While they were there, a young Quileute girl gave David the first drum she made (this is a Quileute custom). To show appreciation, we decided to put the drum in a prominent shot — it's at the entrance of Emily's house, and you see it when Bella first enters. Also, the high pitched 'call' that Embry and Jared give when they jump out of Bella's car is a thing the Quileute kids do.'' ( I thought both these details were really interesting..awesome that they included these authentic details!)
9. Waxing romantic
''The reason the moon phases 'backwards' to reveal the title is that this is scientifically correct! I moderated an astrophysics seminar for the Science and Entertainment Exchange with noted astronomer Neil DeGrasse Tyson and he complained about the number of films that get simple science wrong. (Don't ask me to justify vampires or werewolves).''
10. That's Italian!
''In the Volturi chamber, Aro speaks Italian — 'La Tua Cantante' should be easy for readers of the books — he's referring to Bella's being Edward's 'singer,' whose blood calls out to him stronger than anyone else's. Later, when Bella tells him that he doesn't know anything about Edward's soul, he replies, 'Fore ... ne il vostro l'uno o altro' — 'Perhaps ... nor yours either.'''
The second Valentine's Day trailer was released today, this time with Tay-squared adorableness! Just had to post it, since it IS our Taylor Lautner, and since I adopted Taylor Swift into our fandom.
This movie looks pretty cute, good Valentine's Day date movie, which is exactly what it's intended to be. Everyone and their dog is in it! And since Remember Me got pushed back to March, you won't need to debate which to see first.