Thursday, December 31, 2009

Eclipse Discussion: Chapter 3: Motives

This post contains book spoilers through chapter 3 of Eclipse.

It's not too surprising that the chapter name be symbolic of the events in the chapter, but I find myself noticing them a lot more this time around. Motives are always key to understanding people. Law enforcement always looks for a 'motive' for a crime, because it helps them understand the kind of person that might have committed the crime and catch them faster. We see some of that come into play here, and we see that vampires and werewolves are not exempt.

The chapter opens with Bella and Edward returning from their weekend visit with Bella's mother in Florida. Bella reminisces about her time with her mom. Both Bella and Edward note how surprisingly observant Renee is.
Sabrina: I love this chapter. First of all, I like getting to know Renee a little bit better, that she's more than just scatterbrained and irresponsible.
Amber
: She provides something we very rarely get, a look at Edward and Bella's relationship from the outside
Sabrina
: Yeah, I like seeing their relationship from a third party. Other than Mike Newton saying "he looks at you like you are something to eat", we just don't get enough of that. And it's normally about this time that I stop being so mad at Edward. I've seen those couples. The ones that you can *tell* love each other by looking at them, even when they are going about their everyday lives. It helps me resolve what they have been through, to know that it's like that
Amber
: but hearing it from Renee's outside view certainly gives even more reason that the other guys all backed off from Bella once she was with Edward. They were very obviously together.
I love what Sabrina had to say. You know, me, hardcore Edward girl. I'm not blind to Edward's faults, but I do forgive him pretty easy. It's very interesting to me to see our Team Jacob girl talk this way about their relationship.
Sabrina: So, on the Team Charlie front. He was very nice to Edward when they returned
Kerry
: I don't know if I'd call that "very nice" but "played nice" maybe...lol
Amber
: played nice
Amber
: I like that
Kerry
: I always wonder what happens off camera in these books, I bet Renee called Charlie while they were flying back and probably told him what a sweet boy he was and he obviously cares for Bella and he was such a gentlemen and all. Sabrina: i know, but I can just see Charlie saying that with a half-sarcastic smile. I love Charlie!
They return and they learn that Jacob has been trying to reach Bella. Jacob is agitated (What else is new?) and wants to know if she'll be in school the next day.
Kerry: I think it's interesting that she jumps to the conclusion that he's calling to check up on her.
Amber
: Well she hasn't gotten him to return her calls at all up to this point
Sabrina
: I think it is telling that Bella jumps straight to that conclusion. Mayhaps she's a little nervous about it herself?
They arrive at school the next day, and it becomes clear that Jacob actually wants to talk to Edward.
Sabrina: Between calling her and showing up at the school. What convinces him that they can be friends?
Amber
: I think that was partly to get under Edward's skin
Kerry
: I think it's a mix of missing her, of wanting to still be able to see her, and wanting to annoy Edward while he was at it
Sabrina
: Maybe part... I think only a small part. My personal opinion is that he had the opportunity to remember how much Bella meant to him.. and realized that he should use the time he had left with her
Kerry
: We might disagree on the percentage of "annoy Edward" it was, but the basic idea is in agreement
Sabrina
: But yeah, I think he was also in part fueled by jealousy. It had to get his back up to actually see them together.
Sabrina
: We have the fact that jacob spilled the beans about Victoria.
Amber
: I think he was surprised that Edward hadn't told her that
Kerry
: I think he was surprised that Edward hadn't told her, and then decided to try to use it against him...
Kerry
: I'm not saying I necessarily agree with Edward, but Jacob was definitely being malicious there
Sabrina
: Oh, Jacob was malicious during most of this scene
Amber
: but I wasn't upset with Jacob at all
Sabrina
: it makes me wonder if he was sincere about really missing her, or if he just really wanted to get under Edward's skin. I mean, I think he was sincere, but it made me really doubt him there for a second.
Amber
: he was using what he had at hand to fight for his woman.
Sabrina
: lol... Amber, you are soooo Bella. You always defend them both
Amber
: I never for one second doubted that he was sincere in saying how much he missed her
Amber
: I know, that's me...I'm a total Bella
Kerry
: but he was definitely using his words and tone, not to mention his thoughts, to provoke Edward
Amber
: I'm beginning to wonder how much I actually contribute, because you're right, I defend them both
Sabrina
: Yeah, I agree. It just made me wonder at him for a minute. He's changed so much since the beginning of New Moon.
He really has, hasn't he? I do feel sorry for Jacob, he's going through a heck of a lot for a 17 year old kid. I think, like anyone, these experiences are making both more mature, and less mature at the same time, since he doesn't know how to react. Make sense?
Kerry: this is probably where I really started to get irritated with Jacob the first time through... my appreciation for him has grown, but yeah..
Sabrina
: I do like that Jacob takes Edward to task about lying to her, though.
Amber
: Edward wasn't lying
Kerry
: he didn't lie, exactly...omission yes...
Kerry
: and not that it makes it right
Was it a lie? Maybe by omission. Edward in all his dazzling charm and fast talk to get her out of the area in the first place. Should he have told her that Victoria was coming back? And when, before they left? After they came back?
Sabrina: For what it's worth, I see Edward's side much more in this chapter.
Kerry: but he probably should have said something after Jacob's call
Amber
: I don't think he could have gotten her on the plane if she'd known.
Interesting point. We know Bella took this personally, that she had to protect the people she loved. Would she have gotten on the plane had she known Victoria was in the area? Does that change your previous answer?

The conversation eventually devolves into some disagreement between Jacob and Edward, with Jacob tormenting Edward a bit with memories of Bella during his absence. Jacob expresses to Bella how much he misses her. Bella wants to comfort him but Edward seems to be holding her back.
Kerry: Jacob was being very manipulative, with the guilt trip act...and while I do believe he missed her, that was very definitely an act..
Amber
: There he goes again, making decisions for her.
Sabrina
: No, it definitely isn't his place, but we don't get a clear picture of his motive.
Sabrina
: Protection? Jealousy? Support? Who knows?
Kerry
: I don't doubt the emotion, and it may not have even been a conscious choice to run the guilt act, but it was a show for Bella, designed to make her feel bad.
Amber
: Jacob knows how to pull Bella's strings.
Eventually Bella and Edward must return to class, but she's not done with him yet. In a funny exchange of notes, Edward tells her what happened over the weekend, and Bella let's it be known that she expects to be in the loop on these things. Not as mousey as some might like to think Bella is!
Sabrina: yeah, I love how he gets her side-tracked about the plane.
Amber
: I LOVE the plane!!!!!
Amber
: That's classic, the humorous banter between them that we missed in Twilight
Kerry
: I love the notes!!
Kerry
: They come to an agreement though
Amber
: I'm afraid of flying...I need Edward to fly with me
Sabrina
: Yep... he's gotta tell it to her straight for now on
Kerry: He did the Edward charming distracting thing, but she got her message through, and he agreed, and it's the first time we really see them work something out in a real adult way.
Sabrina
: Relationship progress.
Amber
: Edward learns that his smooth charm can't get him out of everything.
Kerry: It serves it's purpose, it lightens the mood, and I think even though he's kinda joking, he's still demonstrating the lengths he'd go to to protect her, which is why he did what he did.
The chapter wraps up just after, with Edward agreeing to communicate more. We see a little growth in both of them and maybe the start of some adult behavior, setting them more apart from just teenagers with a crush.

Share with us your thoughts on the chapter. What do you think of Renee? Or the phone calls from Jacob. How about the conversation outside of the school, or the notes? Comment and come back next week for Chapter 4!

3 comments:

Desiree said...

I agree definitely Jacob was playing her.

And I love the banter b/w the two w/the plane also. I hope they have that in the movie or something like it.

Hope everyone has a Happy New Year!!

Bouncy72 said...

Gosh I love these posts on eclipse. Lol one of my most memorable things from this book was the note passing about the plane *chuckle*.

I KNOW I'm biased, but seriously Jacob is totally manipulitive!

Thanks for the post & all the best for 2010 :)

LN Mommy said...

Again, late to the party, but whatever.

Yes, Jacob was being malicious to Edward, but I totally see why. Haven't you ever had a friend (that you had feelings for or not) that had a boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife that you believed didn't treat them right? Regardless of how your friend feels about that person, it's hard to be nice to them when you think they're bad for your friend, and after seeing what Edward put Bella through when he left, regardless of his motives, Jacob thinks Edward is bad for Bella. And now he blames Edward for taking his friend away. I don't blame him one bit.

As for whether Edward lied to Bella, the answer is absolutely yes. He 100% flat out lied to her in the previous chapter when she asked about Alice's vision. He told her it was about Jasper when it was really about Victoria. So, yes, he lied. I literally just finished reading these chapters, so I'm absolutely positive about what I say. lol